PES 2017 Wishlist

PES 2017

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  1. I’m an Indonesian PC Gamer, but also a programmer, hehe. Anyway, i think about a high end game spec, can run on low spec Computer, and of course the graphic quality of game is same as the high. Or this, add a new ultra low graphic setting, like PES 6, so a low end Computers can run the PES with the low setting. I’m request this, because not all people can try this game. There are many people who use a low spec Computers. My idea, sounds crazy right? Haha, i think that was true. Its impossible in this modern era, but i hope its possible. OK that’s my wishlist, Sorry for my bad English.. (From All PES gamer from Indonesian, “Please add The Indonesian National Team!Thanks!!”.) Thank you very much.

    1. Change the gate whiter Tor mains voltage tor form adjust please .
      more game mode
      more tournaments and his own tournaments
      authentic league are full liszensiert freekick spray truer sprint movements better defense and gatekeepers

  2. English league player should be better and Graphic of Ps4 and Pc should be same and body of player should be like FIFA and the gameplay should be better then PES 16.
    Thank You.

  3. Improve goalkeepers (there are still a bit too many “unrealistic” mistakes, even made by very skillfulls keepers)

  4. 1. Bring back the old way of kicking corners and free kicks.
    2. Referees should be more strict.
    3. Realistic transfers in the ML

  5. In case of classic players… instead of random players we can have the real life players who have retired…
    Like beckham,figo,ronaldinho etc.

    1. the mater league should like pes 13 aufgebaut werden mit den zwischen szenen und dem trainieren wie ihrem realen vorbild bessere platz grafik mehr spieleinstellungen wie in fifa 16 mit dem herbst 12:00 regen tag nass usw tor einstellung netz spannung form rechteck wie fifa and the uefa youth league

  6. I think PES 2017 MUST have:
    – Next Gen/Current Gen Graphics. still last gen with better lighting.
    – Overhaul of Goal Keepers, Free Kicks, Penalty and etc. To easy To BEAT and use them. add Challenge is ideal way to resolve these issues.
    – A lot MORE Stadiums.
    – Give all options to pick for the fictional CUP that we have now. let us pick stadiums and time and etc.
    Improve Kit Physics. Quit bad now. The shorts are really PS2. WHY.
    – Human Emotions does not present in the Player faces, if there is it is very robotics as of now. Look Up Uncharted 4 graphics and emotions. spot on.
    – Improve Fouls when taken with out having to wait for advance take 2 minutes later.

  7. Bring back couch co op sum of my best days were siting with my brother playin co op 2v2 on the 1 screen .Also if that is not possible can we have a decent co op play such as fifas co op season ,also the pro clubs in fifa are brilliant would be gd 2 see sumfing u can ply with ur friends with a bit of meaning

  8. A few suggeations for master league-
    a)Manager body and height editing
    b)Talk to press.
    c)Player interactions like Pes 12 maybe a bit more options
    d)More cinematics
    e)Better and realistic transfers
    f)Half time team talk options
    g)Backroom staff hiring
    h)Able to complain during match, for instance if cpu just gave a successful dive or fouls you and you complain the refree will be more lenient towards you in the future, overdo it and you get banned.

  9. They should raise the champions league cup in the stands like in real life.
    Also more celebrations like a player taking off his shirt. Just realistic.

  10. I’m not going to request “more teams “more licences” we all know the situation with that.
    But after a almost perfect game there are some things I would like to see.

    Goal keepers is a big one for me. It seems like it didn’t matter who is in goal for you they Make shocking desisions.

    I really like the skill button in Fifa and how well it flows. Maybe head in that direction. I find skills in pes are pointless unless you have Neymar etc. Some of the skill animations are to to long as well.

    Graphics are great on the pitch but more atmosphere and better match day experience appearance would be better around the ground etc
    Also with graphics the shadows of the stadium to not be as dark. When it’s a sunny day it’s almost like playing blind. I really don’t see how great big shadows of a stadium all over the pitch are needed.

    Edit mode. Be able to choose the teams under armour Colour separate and not need to change base colour of the kit first.

    ML is great. Just more depth. Also make it harder to sign great players. I bought pogba in 3rd season after starting with ML default team. I hadn’t even won the league when I bought him.

    Hopefully everyone’s input will be read as so many other players have wrote some great ideas.

    Thanks konami

    One final thought.

    How much does the licensing cost for BPL?
    Can’t we start a crowd funding site to raise the money?
    Might be the only way to ever get it lol

  11. Pes 17 should input more leagues,More commentarys, More match flair and master league should be decent, limit big player transfer. More stadiums especially EPL. Thanks pls

  12. -Borussia Dortmund is one of the clubs missing !

    -additional licensed stadiums like Madrid’s Santiago Bernabeu, Chelsea’s Stamford Bridge, Barcelona’s Camp Nou, Arsenal’s Emirates Stadium, PSG’s Parc des Princes and England’s Wembley Stadium.

    -new ideas for my club and more licensed real coach

    -Fantasy teams like Europe best players and another Team world best players ( other than Europe ) .

  13. generate new young player for ML, so there’s no need to make retired player to be young again, it feels unrealistic.

  14. My wishes:

    1) Improve referees (more realistic punishment of fouls)
    2) Improve goalkeepers (there are still a bit too many “unrealistic” mistakes, even made by very skillfulls keepers)
    3) Please bring the PC graphics to the same level as on PS4 / XB1
    4) Please include a real coop mode like the FIFA coop season OR bring back the fantastic group system that PES 6 had.

    The rest can stay as it is… it’s nearly perfect! Thanks, KONAMI!

  15. I agree with everything that has been said by the community.

    1) Shooting needs to be fixed. Shot power/accuracy is too uniform. The Intermediate shooting assist is terrible. I cannot see a difference between someone with 60 kicking power, and someone with 90. Shooting in PES 2013 was pretty sound.

    2) When you lower the overpowered shooting, goalkeepers will look less stupid. The problem is that because every shot is a cannon, the keepers look useless.

    3) Dribbling (oh boy). I love what PES did with the responsive dribbling and impact animations, but it needs to be tweaked. I find dribbling through the defence far too easy. Almost every game I’m able to dribble through the defensive lines without pressing dash. By just twisting and turning, I am able to hold on the ball with one player for a very long time.

    4) Defending needs the most work. Since dribbling and shooting are overpowered, defenders needs to be able to adjust. Marking is not really the problem. It is the game physicality and ball winning mechanisms. Ball winning is still too scripted and most defenders are useless when it comes to taking the ball off an attacker. Defenders need to be meaner. There needs to be more fouls/physicality. A player like Pique or Gary Cahill would never just feebly poke at a ball in hopes of stealing it.

    5) Where did Create Stadium go? That was one of my favourite features. I was able to take my team (Udinese) and create the Stadio Friuli. The seat colours were right. The main stand was like the real thing. Bring back these options.

    Thanks.

  16. An improvement I’d like to see, is a comeback of an old gamemode from pes 2008: It would be awesome to be able to play a match with a team completely set up with players you choose! It then might be possible to create your dream team for just a single match by just selecting Ibrahimovic, Messi and Ronaldo to take part in your team for example. You decide which players there will be in your squad and, if you are not playing with a friend, the computers squad.

  17. In my Honest opinion the only way to really improve PES (who have absolutely Nailed gameplay) is for all the staff involved to play ‘Football Manager’ (even on Vita) for a week solid because all the answers to game depth are all there. Congrats Konami for a Beautiful PES2016! q:c)

  18. More custom control over tournament creation for when friends come over. If I want to create a tournament with 3 teams I should be able to.

    The team really needs to work hard for local tournaments and party modes that allow us to play local multiplayer better.

  19. We need better atmosphere I want to see smoke and flair and deafening chants when you play big games like Milan derby give us stadium editor even bring back boot editor and give us puma nike adidas fonts for kits make it even more realistic

  20. Why don’t you show live fixtures, goals and live evento from the league in Master league Mode?
    Why there isn’t a Half time show during the games?
    And why the Weather isn’t dinamic? Even the Lights and shadows of the day aren’t dinamic?
    Edit and create New stadiums?

  21. I want see the third kit from the teams with liscens an expamble Barcelona , Real Madrid and More realistisch weather settings like fifa 12:0 pm rain etc. Much better team and Player id Neymar should more skills and runs in the game or Messi, Ronaldo more stadiums The boots always aktuell in a match liga bbva loke the tv the cutsence at the last one THE GOALKEEPER !!!!

  22. _improve graphics on pc ( make it like ps4 version )
    _if u can’t get licenses for bundesliga , Bpl … try to get the licenses of CAF champions league (like u did for afc , copa libertadores ,uefa …)
    _improve the atmosphere in the stadiums ( better than fifa )
    _ the referees … –‘
    _if u can’t get lisences for stadiums , just try make generic ones that looks like the real one’s …

    Sorry for my bad english ! love PES ! don’t make me hate it please …

  23. 1. We definitely need Community offline mode back
    2. Players want Bundesliga teams. Instead, they get chilian league. What’s the point?
    3. Revamped patching mode. It was much easier on PS3. Now we spend so much time in copy/paste. What’s the point when patchers spent that much time in making the right kits, faces, etc?
    4. Speaking of patching, KONAMI might at least give the right colors for unlicensed teams.
    5. The tutorial should be more demonstrative, like in PES 2013 for example.
    6. They also need to do more about the defense.

  24. For me is simple more interesting graphics that puts smiles on my face..
    and i would love it if you add jessy swap of players after match and more players tattoos
    THANK YOU… cant wait for #Pes17.

  25. My Expectations in PES 2017
    1. Goalkeeping need improvements
    2. Revamped Shooting System… every player is virtually perfect at shooting… that’s unrealistic to me.
    3. Player Movement could be improved with better animations
    4. Improvements in ML. (Calendar, Pre-Season Tournaments/Friendlies of your own choosen)
    5. Some Curling animations appetite wetting, others awful. Same with lob pass
    6. The Celebrations are okay for me… but circumstances surrounding it is unrealistic. Players follow their team mate to celebrate and a cut scene sets eliminating the team mates from the celebration.
    7. More Stadia… even if generic
    8. I pray you get more licences for more leagues.
    9. Revamped Penalty System
    10. I believe fans crave for more realism every year…I vouch for only realistic cleats… no WENPES Cleats

  26. Pes 2017 i also want to see analog sprint .Cut scene When it have UCL draw in ML. More fouls especially in Darby matches .Better camera than vertical camera in Pes 2016 .More realistic passes and shots .Better free kick and penalty system .More leagues .Better lighting .Better realistic commentary. More celebration stop make team mates run you down When you score a goal.Play through ball in 2016 was to easy plz better it in 2017 .Improve lob balls and high through ball……………..Hope konami listen to There fans wishlist for the up coming series of PES

  27. am a big fan of pes but the passing is too scripted the keepers need to be be better in pes 17 especially in 1 on 1 replay need to fix we need more weather in pes 17 need to copy fifa by putting in time like 12:00- 430 etc they also need a different defending system and another thing play through balls are far to easy they also need a better commentator wit peter drury the grass needs to be better need better presentation also more stadium master league need more cut scene look at NBA .online mode need fixing plus a lot more……………..

  28. need more fouls make it more realistic make ai a lot more aggressive we want lots of penalty and free kicks in ml so the ai need to fouls us more
    and injurers we need in match injures we only get injured in training

  29. German League
    Better Goalkeepers
    Stadium Creator
    Slower Gameplay
    More balls shoes and stadiums
    More european national teams
    Better AI

  30. How about this for Pes 17 soundtrack:
    1.Alan Walker-Faded
    2.Olwik-This Life
    3.One Republic-Counting stars
    4.eluvatie-Call of mountains
    5.Fallout Boys-Centuries
    6.CTS-Beautiful Love World
    7.Enrique Feat, Pitbull-Let me be your Lover
    8.Rixton-Me and My broken Heart.
    9.Presets-Goodbye Future
    10.RAC-Let Go
    11.Auto Heart-Beat the Love
    12.One Ok ROck-Clock Strikes
    13.Sillhoute Form the Skylit-Blue Echoes
    14.My First Story-Fukayagu Replace
    15.Empire-How good does it feel
    16.Tinie Tiempah-Written in the Stars
    17.Kamelia-Amor
    18.Kiss With a Fist
    19.Parde of Lights-Cant have you
    20.Saint Raymond-Dont fail me now

  31. Bring back the old gameplay with new graphics and improved leagues and stadiums All that you need PES 2017

  32. I have 5 things that could get improved
    First of all is the goalkeepers.
    You should let them react quicker or speed up the saving animations.
    They never save a ball from 3m distance.
    Every time the aminations are to slow to get the ball. Also i would add some more goalkeeper animations. I think fifa goalkeepers are a lot better. And like them the keepers should be in pes.

    Second problem is the AI.
    Even on superstar i win nearly every game. The AI has to be better at attacking and better at defending than in pes 2016 and should act more inteligent. another problem is, that every tackling of the AI is getting well. They never foul a player. I play pes for a long time and never got a penalty during a game.

    Third is that shots are overpowered.
    I can shoot from 60 meters and the ball goes onto goal. The players should miss some shots by 20 meters, but not every shot should go into goal. Because of the op shots an the too slow goalkeepers every game contains a lot of goals.

    The fourth are the referees. They rarely give a player a yellow card and in whole time i play pes i only once got a red card.
    Also there are some issues with decisions about offside. By the way i would wish more animations when players get injured.

    The fifth is the the ballphysics.
    The ball in pes feels like a rock and not like a football which sometimes looks a bit weired. If you shoot a ball with al lot of effet (dont know if this is spelled right) i only changes its way a little bit, but in real life you can shoot them wirt an effet
    Where the ball flys from right side of the pitch to the left. So you should inprove the effet. I think ballphysics of fifa are a lot better, but pes gameplay is better so i want to help to make pes perfect.

    And they should add that the pitch gets worn when players run and slidetackle like in fifa

    And the last thing is the licenses
    This ever was a problem of pes.
    Im german and want to play bundesliga or even third bundesliga and i dont want to edit them into game. This takes a lot of time, but sharing op-files like on ps3 would be absolutely great. I know there is the way of doing it with a public account. But if any idiot changes the password everything is lost and the op-file get updated.
    Downloading patches via internet would be the greatest thing but i think its impossible to do this.

    I love pes but if these things get changed fifa could go home. One last thing i recommend is to slow down the gameplay a little bit. Its a little bit to fast in my opinion.

    Even with datapack 3 the goalkeepers are too slow an dont save a ball from clos range that gets shot precisely

    Ingame gameplay editor like in fifa pls.
    Rarity of injures/cards
    Speed
    Shoot success
    Goalkeeper saves
    Etc.

  33. 1. Shooting is overpowered and too easy, shots should be less hard and less accurately.
    2. You should can change the direction of a pass before the player plays the ball like in Pes 2014 or Fifa.
    3. Keeper need to be improved. After all the patches they are not bad offline, online still not really good.
    4. Players should perfom tricks / special moves faster and smoother
    5. Reeferes ignore 2/3 of the fouls in the game, this must be changed!
    6. Its should be harder for player to use the rainbow flick like in Pes 13. I know its not that easy like in Pes 2015 but still a little op and unrealistic
    7. much more stadiums, i dont care if they are fake stadiums. 22(!?) is a joke for a game released in 2015.
    8. more celebrations, the ability to do your own celebration online and the opponent shouldnt have the option to skip my celebration
    9. faster replays with more different camera positions
    10. slower gameplay, with less accurate passing
    11. face animations should be much better especially the mouth animations. when the players celebrate they look like they have a shark mouth
    12. over all grahpics need to be improved, the crowd, the field, the gras, the player animations (!!!) and the stadiums could look better.

  34. General:

    – Rosters updated
    – More licensed stadiums and teams
    – Better defensive reactions
    – More tactical gameplay with strategical fouls and cards shown
    – New set pieces for corners and free-kicks!
    – The goalies are fine with data pack 3 patch, but Konami could add some new animations for them as well
    – Better presentation, more next to the real thing. The players reactions and crowd atmosphere are lacking some emotions…
    – Proper animations for some big players (player id)
    – Konami should take more credit to the not well-known players (for example, Renato Sanches from Benfica is doing fine and his skills are awful and dont even have a proper face…)
    – More risky CPU gameplay
    – Where is Aubameyang?

    On MyClub Mode:

    – Ban the guys who overuse the “unforeseen circumstances” match abandonment. Whoever take the initiative to quit the match should immediately get a loss…
    – The cheaters and laggers are a big problem!
    – Better matchmaking – calculate the average of initial 11 and the 3 best overall benchers. the team level should take into the consideration the 14 best players and not only the inital 11…
    – Add a new level to the team strenght and add a new ball for the best players in the game
    – This mode should be more rewardable
    – The manager costs and the contracts costs are absurd. The game prioritize the boring farming (SIM and vs CPU games) and don’t give enough gp’s to spin some scouts.
    – More temporary cups

  35. A necessity for PES 2017 has to be a revamp of the whole penalty system.
    1. Not enough penalties are awarded. (I’ve only ever won one penalty in 3 master league campaigns, 2 leagues, and numerous Championsleague mode).
    2. Improvements on taking penalties. (More freedom and direction. Too many penalties are tame.
    3. Goalkeepers on penalties need serious re-working. Too many occassion keepers are incompetent and will miss penalties that are straight at him.

    Now, this is purely a recommendation on a creative point for pes 2017
    1. Home teams should not automatically take kickoff.
    2. During the second half, show the players re-entering the pitch. (Users will of course have the option to skip it)

  36. In Pes 2017 I think there should be persnol commentator in Become A Legend

    So my name is meet and i score a goal or recive a ball the commentator Should Speak My Name

    That’s What I Want And Little Graphics Improvement And a new Fox Engine For Pc Users

  37. In Pes 17 we need more animations, next gen goalkeeper, smarter AI and good referee which was not found on Pes 16

  38. PLEASE PLASE PLEASE bring back the home and away option for friendlies. The way it stands I have to program a Konami Cup for two people and two teams. You guys used to have it if I’m not mistaken on PES 7 or winning eleven 10. Also step over by double tapping L1 or R2 would be awesome to bring back.

  39. pes 6 is the best series of all…so….put some pes6 moves, or make the pes 2017 like pes6 remaster…

  40. What will make me PES fan again?
    – Real names in Premier league
    – Loading times are crazy long now should be like FIFA
    – Better online, make it more fun, make me want to play it like FIFA did with seasons, now im waiting 30min to find a player.
    – Faster game, no F… 4 replays after goal or chance.
    – Better golies, keepers are Better now but still sometimes they look slow and wierd.
    – make menu more simple NOT like a pokemon game. Want to change tatics fast just want to play NOT so Many options, just want to make a formation and my first eleven make it simple, u confussing us.

  41. AI improvements – the ai is always being boasted about my the developers by pes but the ai (especially defensively) is just pish poor. For example the players if they receive the ball in a defensive area they will troad along with the ball begging for it to be stolen instead of passing it to a player or running into space. The attacking ai is WELL OP compared to the defensive ai….you are defending a guy running at pace and your player seems to just not have the reactions, the hold up play is all but disappeared, fouls are never called when they should and some fouls given are madness. And if a player is control dribbling then they usually skin you alive with ease. You tackle or get tackled and your player just doesn’t react, there’s to tussle for the ball due to the feeble standing tackling mechanics.

    Management AI – whatever game mode against the ai WHY OH WHY OH WHY DO THEY NOT AUTOMATICALLY SEND THEIR BEST PLAYER FORWARD FOR CORNERS? It’s especially worse in become a legend as your manager is a total f***ing goon. No players are sent forward, they don’t change the tactics, it’s always a like for like swap, I’m not with benfica and gaitan and salvio haven’t played 1 game and they are the best players in the squad all because their registered position is RM & LM and this new manager plays with 3 AM and for the record these player can play in that position but aren’t being picked. Not just your own club it happens with all clubs who you are against. Like for like subs are increasingly frustrating. It’s dynamic this and dynamic that, why are the managers not dynamic? Also EVERY TEAM is not set to do an auto offside trap, you have to rely on the ai of a defender and unless it’s an amazing defender or keeper you’re in for trouble.

    Edit – there’s such a lazy attempt to make default kits for clubs, they’re all the same stupid design for a certain league just with a different colour. Get a grip! I’ll edit the kits by default for free just to save me the pain from looking at them! And the colour of the kit never resembles the actual colour they play with.

    There’s is F all you can do about licensed teams and that but c’mon the more you play this good game you see these flaws and you just hate it at times. No sports game is going to be perfect but the ai for players and managers needs to change!!!

  42. all the fans would like to see more stadiums .. if u cant get them licenced pls try to provide varieties jst like the konami stadium that u gyus have in pes 16 . many more customized stadiums will be welcomed. and 2nd thing the fouls : plss make them fair the sliding tackles in pes 16 are almost on spot but this is not the case in real game .. refree doesnt give fair fouls .. we would like to see it similar to pes15 where fouls were given in fair ways..

  43. 1) better fluid gameplay
    2) animations are too rigid!
    3) crowd atmosphere is dull, needs a lift.
    4) night matches are terrible! Lighting is abysmal.
    5) realistic passing and shooting animations.
    6) remove the “slide” when repositioning a player. “Slides when lining up a shot.”
    7) tackling system! It’s terrible!! Too clunky, remove double tap and replace with similar system to FIFA. Jostling feels scripted and tackling in the box is terrifying!
    8) fouls…too easy to foul opposition but they never seem to foul you.
    9) ball still seems as though it is drawn to players. Where are the days of running onto a cross and glancing the ball into the net? L
    10) goal mouth scrambles! Player AI doesn’t seem to be aware of other players or the ball.

  44. PES Can be greater than fifa if they do one thing and is to work on become a legend. Make a story mode on become a legend with cutscenes and real life things. You could do training and arguing with team mates and manager. the press interviewing you and yourself on newspapers and transfer rumours. THIS IS PES 2017s YEAR DONT ALLOW FIFA TO PUT ONE OVER YOU WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. PLEASE KONAMI!!!!

    1. Story Mode of Become a legend with cutscenes
    2. Improve Master League
    3. Enhancement of Gameplay with more animations and better goal keeping
    4. Transfer Market on Myclub. Myclub is basically a gamble which is stupid it doesnt gvive the user freedom to do what they want
    These four things will destroy fifa and return pes to the top not in sales but as in poplurarity which has been missing for 10 years. Dont bottle it PES. Please dont.

  45. Introduce the 2vs2 online mode on ps4
    Make an online paramater for online divisons like play with a same power team (for example 5 stars with 5 stars, or real can play only with barcelona psg bayern etc… but not with à 2 stars teams)
    Reduce points for super teams like real barcelona psg… 300 to 150, to be hard to win divisions.
    Make more and more animations in the game like celebrations.
    Make tatoos for Players (just neymar haves tatoos in pes16)
    Introduce more stadiums and more kits (barcelone just 2, réal just 2… add the Last kit for teams)

  46. we would like
    more aggressive ai more fouls we dont get pk at al in pes16 the dont foul us we want lots penaltys and freekicks
    and better keepers they cant save anything make them better in 1v1 situations
    thats all for now i hope u implement these thank u

    REALISTIC CELEBRATION CUTSCENE;- No more appearing and disappearing in front of the goalscorer and no more lining in a straight line behind him. We should be able to interact with players on field or subs or coach without having to go all the way to corners of the pitch

    weather effects, Snow, mouth fog etc. At least 40% more animations for total player fluidity. Response times.

  47. More generic stadiums if real ones can’t get licensed. Ability to play coach vs coach in any offline mode. Ability to play/coach every team in your league in offline modes. More leagues (MLS)? Fix it so DLC updates don’t mess up any edits. More fouls, penalties and injuries. Better weather conditions. More banners and flag waving. Ability to create a league with as many teams as you wish. Community creation center so we can download faces, kits, equipment, etc….

  48. 1. Option to play with more than one team in offline competetions.
    2. Better transfer in ML
    3. Option to choose your kit no. in BAL.
    4. Better goalies
    5. Manager body editing in ML
    6. Tight kits option choosing for specefic players such as Cavanni.
    7 . Computer giving dive as well.
    8. More fouls and cards.
    9. More injuries and stretchers
    10. More cinematics in football life.

  49. Regarding pro evolution soccer 2017 i would like to see

    more shots from cpu they only score hard and low i want to see shots from outside the box from all angles make it more realistic with long range shots scissors kicks voleys and much more and make it harder much harder